tv State of the Union With Candy Crowley CNN April 13, 2014 9:00am-10:01am PDT
thing again this time mention week. "state of the union" with candy crowley starts right now. in washington, hello midterms. from the depths of the indian ocean, five days of silence. today australia's somber assessment. >> no one should underestimate the difficulties ahead of us. >> and malaysia's mea culpa. >> there are times when we're lost in translation. we're learning through this process. i'm not saying that we were -- we handled it perfectly. >> our reporters and experts with the latest on the search for malaysia flight 370 in waters three miles deep and the could have, should have, would haves in kuala lumpur. and then -- >> our job is to elect republicans to office and make sure there's a check and balance on the barack obama administration. >> tough climate. no question about it. won't sugarcoat it. >> the chairman of the republican and democratic
campaign committees, greg walden and steve israel, with the early line on the 2014 elections and whether races are holding up immigration reform. plusz, jb squares, jeb bush and john boehner, our panel takes on this week's political headliners. , jb squares, jeb b and john boehner, our panel takes on this week's political headliners. good morning from washington, i'm candy crowley. the search for flight 370 is the search for flight 370 is over. the search is entering its sixth week, and there are fears the batteries that are fueling the beeper on the plane's black boxes may have died. it's been five days since searchers detected what may have been pings from the missing jet's black boxes. malaysia's transport minister says finding those data recorders is critical to clearing their passengers and crew. we have cnn reporters covering the story from this angles. will ripley is in perth, australia. joe johns is in kuala lumpur and pauline choiu in hong kong.
thanks all for joining us. you're doing yeoman's work out there, i know, and are probably exhausted. will, you're in perth. it is home base for this search. it is nighttime, so the planes have come back or are headed back. anything new? >> reporter: what was new today, the search area size increased by about 6,000 square miles. as of our last update, still no debris recovered and no pings in five days as you mentioned. i guess the big headline here that could be coming up this week is the search going to transition from listening to deploying the submersible? we could get answers on that this week. today, no major developments as far as what was found on the indian ocean. >> the fact that they broadened the search area, does that indicate that they do think they're now moving back to "we've got to find some debris" and obviously, put in those underwater sonar detectors? >> for the 307 families, this debris is crucial. even a photo you have to think might not be enough for some of
the families who have now waited so long and have yet to see any physical evidence that this aircraft is where the search teams strongly believe that it is. but this debris field, if there is debris floating, has been the target for 37 days. they keep poring over the data trying to figure out where the stuff might be. they just haven't found it. somewhere out there, there is a plane, there are 239 people, and there's definite determination out here to find it for these families and find those people. >> absolutely. and joe johns, you're in kuala lumpur, home base for, of course, malaysia airlines. it is hard to watch over the past now almost six weeks the kuala lumpur government dealing with this. i mean, it's a small country. this is a global story. they were thrust into the headlines all over the world. they don't seem to have a lot of answers. some of it, you can understand.
but what is your feel for the malaysian government, how it malaysian government, how it dsees its own role and what it's done. so they not know the answers or are they just not used to giving out all the information? >> reporter: oh, it's definitely a little bit of both. the most important thing, candy, they don't know where the plane is and neither does anybody else. they've gotten a lot of heat, taken a lot of questions, hard questions from the international media, including cnn. there's been some pushback, too. last week, they pushed back against "the daily mail" newspaper out of uk., also pushback against cnn. last week, the transport minister retweeting a humorous cartoon lampooning cnn. i asked one of the lawyers in town what is all this pushback about from the government? and he said it's all about public consumption, making people understand here in malaysia that this government is not intimidated.
they may not do everything right, but can still give as good as they can get, candy. >> pauline, i want to bring you in from hong kong. 'cause it occurs to me, at the very beginning, we heard a lot from the relatives that obviously were waiting at the airport for this malaysian flight to come in to china, which was its destination. and we haven't heard much since. what's happened there? >> reporter: well, i think you're not hearing as much public anger and criticism in front of the tv cameras because, for a couple of reasons. a, it's the 37th day. the families are just exhausted emotionally and they're frustrated. and the other issue is the chinese government has put a little bit of pressure on the families behind closed doors to step back a little bit and to dial back some of that criticism. and we know this because i was in beijing for 33 days and i saw some of the closed door
briefings from the outside where government officials were inside. after some of these briefings, the families did tell them the government officials said, it's probably better if you step back a little bit, let the government deal with this, government to government. that has happened probably in the past week and a half or so. it's quite different from what we saw in the early days. remember march 24th when malaysia's prime minister made that announcement on television that the plane had probably gone down in the indian ocean and everyone had to presume there were no survivors. well, the very next day, candy, you remember that big protest by the family members in beijing as they walked to the malaysian embassy. that kind of protest does not happen in beijing very often, and the government could have stopped that if they wanted to. but, in essence, it was really the government saying let the families put the pressure on the malaysian government instead of the chinese government. this was early on. now you're seeing a little bit of a shift now as we're heading into the fifth week.
>> will, sort of spinning off what pauline just said and what joe just said, like no other government involved in this, the australian government has gotten a lot of shine. they have seemed competent. they've been out there every day, apparently giving as much information as they had. it is interesting to me to see prime minister tony abbott take such a front seat in this whole thing and be out there in public. i was trying to think if there were a plane crash off the u.s., the president wouldn't be the guy probably to come out and talk about the investigation. >> reporter: you know, you've got to think, this is a relatively new prime minister, elected less than a year ago. and this is his first opportunity as prime minister to speak on this international stage. you know, one thing i thought was interesting, candy, you take a look at the local papers here, the national papers in australia. on the front page here, you don't see any mention of flight 370. it hasn't been front-page news here for days. the real attention more than
domestically in australia is internationally. it's also -- prime minister abbott was in beijing trying to push through this free-trade agreement, which is very important to australia, given the trade relationship between the two countries. to have this press conference to show the strength of australia, to show the command that he has with his search chief, angus houston, it certainly was a deliberate move. >> sure. sure. there are always politics to a crisis, and this one is no different. joe johns, how about in kuala lumpur and malaysia at large, how is it viewed in that country? is it as -- a front-page story? how are they viewing their government and how are they viewing the story itself? >> reporter: it's not a front-page story every single day, but from time to time, it will pop up, sort of depends on the exclusive that one newspaper or another might get. but we went over to a radio station here in town just to try to take the pulse, temperature of kuala lumpur. a lot of people on the radio
talking about it, very concerned about the malaysia public image. they're concerned about relations with china, which is very important to them obviously, for trade reasons. and i think they're also concerned about tourism, concerned about people coming to this country, considering the fact that they've had this problem with this plane. so people in malaysia would like to see this thing, number one, over and they want the government to give a clear and consistent message every time they speak because they think it reflects poorly on the country if they don't. >> yeah. and pauline, joe mentions the relationship between malaysia and china. what is the nature of it since it seems china is quite willing to let the chinese families criticize the malaysian government. but we haven't seen a lot of it directly government to government. >> reporter: generally, the relationship between china and
malaysia is good. for example, china is the third largest trading partner for malaysia. >> that is important. yeah. >> joe was mentioning the tourism issue. the tourism minister of malaysia just announced they postponed promotional tourism ads for chinese tourists out of sensitivity over this issue. and chinese tourists made a huge portionof the tourism industry in malaysia. but from a geopolitical point of view, china has territorial spats in the region with japan, the philippines, vietnam. so it needs allies in the region. so that's one reason why china doesn't want to really shake up the relationship with malaysia over this situation. sure, mh370 is a very personal issue for china with 154 chinese nationals on the plane, but there are other issues. there are trade issues. there are territorial disputes as well. so that's why china is being
very careful in how it manages its relationship with malaysia. >> will, i want to do one more round with all of you. to you, i saw a quote earlier this week that said once this search goes to these underwater unmanned vehicles through sonar, it could take a couple weeks and it could take years. how in is the australian government? can they afford to continue this search in any kind of meaningful manner for years? >> reporter: the prime minister testified on the cost of the search. it hasn't been broken down by country. we know it's in the millions here in australia. cnn has estimated in our previous reporting, some $21 million a month for the international effort. and australia obviously footing a pretty big share of that bill, considering they have their ships out there deploying
these planes, dropping these sonar buoys. not once has it been mentioned to me by anybody out on the street who i talked to, any reporters who i've spoken to, there's never been a question, are we spending too much money, spending too much time? it seems like at least for now, anecdotally on the ground here, australians are behind this, happy to see their country taking the lead. i think australia is being seen, perceived as really handling this very well by many people. now, let's talk again in two months, six months. if the search continues, will that be sustainable? that's the big question. >> pauline choiu, joe johns, will ripley, given your workloads, i doubly appreciate you taking this much time with us. thank you, guys.
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let me bring you in first, simply because it seems to me that for the purposes of this conversation, let's say that the pinger batteries are dead. now we go to submersibles. what is the primary mission right now? >> the primary mission really is to find debris field on the seabed and hopefully, it will be somewhat recognizable. it could be really broken up, but usually, get something like the tail or wings or cockpit that might be recognizable, even by sonar. so, once you find that, specifically in this cairns the tail, then you really focus in on the tail with video and photographs to see if you can see anything of the recorders. the recorders are bright orange or red and easily discriminated with the light and separated
from most other parts of the aircraft. >> then, if one is lucky and looking for the tail, 'cause that's where the black boxes, which are really red, are located. what is the degree of difficulty of lifting anything out of the ocean that is three miles deep? >>ed grade of depth, you are getting into exponential difficulty, gets huge, not just linear. the difficult city sending a vehicle down there, remote operating vehicle that has articulating arms that can reach out and grasp the recorders and put them in a container where they would be sure that on the ascent, they won't lose them, they will be protected. >> isn't there a lot of weight on top of something that's down three miles? >> it can be heavy, but the
industrial-grade rovs, remote-operated vehicles, do have the capacity to take these things, pick them up and put them in a basket. a bigger problem would be if the tail is intact and the recorders are inside the tail, then they are going to have to cut into the tail and that, again, gets much more difficult. >> steven wallace, we haven't found one little thing, much less a big thing. there's no such thing as a debris field so far. give me a plausible explanation for that. >> right. well, this is most unusual, because we have had pings, but no floating debris. so, a plausible explanation? i -- we all recall when captain sullenberger set the airbus 320 down in the hudson river, intact. so, if the airplane was set down in the indian ocean intact, either by a pilot or by an
automatic pilot, that -- i'm not going to say that is the explanation, but that is an ex-an place. >> an explanation how we would not have a bunch of stuff. >> it is just a huge, huge ocean out there full of junk and maybe the debris's out there, we just haven't found it. >> when you look at the salvaging or whatever you bring up, what's -- we know the black box is the priority, hopefully that would tell us what the heck happened, what then? do you leave it rest? >> the black boxes? >> no, no the black boxes i'm assuming you bring up. naught aside. everything else? >> well, certainly, a very top priority are human remainsism mean, these families have suffered immeasurably and so human remains and the respectful treatment and disposition of those will be a very high priority. as to whether you cut this plane
up or bring it up, i think that's up to the experts and probably very much depends on what they end up finding, whether they end up finding the whole plane substantially intact or whether there's a huge debris field scattered all over. >> and if it answers questions that we haven't answered through the black box, they will want to look at particular debris, perhaps that may answer that -- especially if there is a problem in the fuel tank or something like that. >> bring up the fuel tank or try to? >> yeah. >> so is that how decisions were made with air france, some of that wreckage was left, was it not? >> most left on on the sea floor. what they wanted to bring up in air france were the black boxes and that pretty much answered all the questions we had about what happened. >> um, mr. carr, when you are looking at terrain that we're told is extremely rough, i mean, mountainous on the bottom of the ocean. i'm assuming it's down there,
how long would it take some of these submersibles to kind of look across the search area? i know it depends on how big the search areasome i think the last we heard like 15,000 square foot or something like that. how long does that take? >> it can take quite long. i have seen the bluefin 21 has the capability of doing 12 square miles a day. a lot of this depends on are the size of your target you're looking for, like the aircraft, be it intact or otherwise, and that depends on the range, the sonar range that is used, because you want the resolution to be perfect so that you can detect it. it's all about detecting it with sonar. so, 12 square miles a day i think is probably a little optimistic, but also, if the bottom is very smooth, maybe
that suspect on tptimistic. maybe it's real. >> a span of things, give me a guess. a week? several months? can you even make that guess? >> i was hoping they would have really tightened up and made the area smaller with the pings that they have heard. i would really think that you're talking a minimum of several weeks once the bluefin 21 gets operational. and it could, something this large it could be months, easi y easily. one other factor, if it gets to that same, is bring in another vehicle like the one used on air france. so, you would have two operational underwater vehicles going at the same time. >> right. steven rawls, how confident are you that searchers are in the area where this plane is? >> well, i'm fairly confident because this investigation has
been plagued by sketchy, unreliable evidence, but among the more reliable evidence that i have seen, the immar sat pings that formed those two arcs north and south, which we are all familiar with and now the pings off the sonars, which have been detected by really the best experts in the world and those align. so, that gives me confidence that we are in the right area, but this is a huge, huge challenge. i think all i can say makes me most optimistic, i have never seen this level of international determination and cooperation to get this solved. >> steven tribal, i have 15 seconds, the biggest chang coming out of this aside of what we find out about the plane? >> connecting the aircraft, more information what is going on in the aircraft before it is lost or before it's at the bottom of the ocean, making the communication systems more robust on the aircraft, and then getting that information off. >> steven tribal, steven
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joining me now, two people personally responsible for getting members elected to their house. congressman steve israel chairman of the democratic congressional campaign committee and congressman greg walden, chairman of the national republican congressional campaign committee. gentlemen, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me on. >> i want to start with prevailing winds. the president's health care law remains largely unpopular, his job approval rating is below or just at 50%. your party is trying to retain seats in districts that mitt romney won. what is your pep talk to democrats these days? >> climates change. won't sugarcoat it.
when the government shut down in october, prognosticators thought we would win 50 seats. a rollout of a website in the affordable care act, the same pundits saying we were going to lose 50 seats. climates change f three weeks made a difference, who knows what the next seven months will bring. >> i want to put up -- this is a cbs news poll, are you excited about voting in november? 70% of republicans said they're excited. 58% of democrats said they were excited. independents, 47%. >> first, on that poll, the two most important words were "in november." it's not november. we're the democratic national campaign committee, not climate committee. we don't worry about the climate. we build out campaigns. there's an issue of voter drop-off, we're accelerating our investments in the field, putting people on the ground. we've got 33 districts covered with staff to deal with the drop-off. secondly, it is true that the president's numbers may not be where the president wants them
to be, but we're running against a republican congress whose job approval is a fraction of that. there's a new history being written in this midterm, the least popular republican congress in history. >> which takes it right off of my statistics and to you, congressman walden. that is, the republican brand is certainly at one of its lowest points ever, if not the lowest point. you have interparty warfare going on. >> our job is to elect republicans to office and make sure there's a check and balance on the barack obama administration in washington. and we're focused on jobs and the economy, trying to grow both. we're focused on energy development and energy export. we're focused on when you get home what people care about when you get home. the economy under president obama has not been that stellar. certainly, we had one of the words recessions, but one of the slowest recoveries out of it. people are concerned about the future of the country.
>> but people don't much like republicans these days. what is your overall imagery? after the election, republican national committee was going to start changing things and reshaping the image. hasn't seemed to help congress at this point. >> remember, congress is controlled in the senate by the democrats. when you talk about congress approval ratings, remember, you have harry reid and others running the senate. we've tried to create jobs, develop jobs and we've seen the bills languish in the senate. that's unfortunate. we should work together to solve the problems, grow jobs in america, and deal with the things people at home care about. they don't care much about one party's image or another. >> we and large, it boils down to republicans don't care about you and yours is we give you obamacare and where are the jobs? >> jobs and the economy really matter to people at home. >> 200,000 jobs gained last month, 800,000 jobs lost in the last --
american since the 1970s, more people in poverty. >> i don't think you guys are going to agree on this. >> our job together should be how do we raise people out of poverty? how do we create better jobs in america? >> let me ask you about a couple specific issues. the first is that, as you may know, attorney general holder went off script at an event this week where he said that he believes that the treatment he has received in the house, particularly during a hearing this week, would not have happened if he were not african-american. he believes it's racism. he believes the opposition to the president has been based on racism. i wanted to play you something that nancy pelosi said when she was asked about this. >> i think race has something to do with the fact that they're not bringing up an immigration bill.
i've heard them say to the irish, if this were just you, this would be easy. >> do you agree with that? >> the american people want solutions in congress. >> this is about racism. do you think your republican colleagues are racist? >> not all of them, no, of course not. but to a significant extent, the republican base does have elements that are animated by racism and that's unfortunate. >> you know, even the president has said, look, i think some people oppose me because of race and i think some people support me because of race. >> that's true. >> between the war on women and the republicans are racist, sort of blanketing all of them. if this were irish, they would have passed immigration by now, looked very much like election year strategy, trying to get your base out. >> well, look, we don't need to get our base out, because frankly, we're ready to pass an immigration bill. we'd rather pass an immigration bill than worry about the election. we have got 190 democrats ready to vote on a comprehensive immigration bill today. we can do it today.
we know not every republican is going to agree with us on that. it passed the senate with 67 bipartisan votes. all we need is 20 republicans, just 20 to vote for that bill and it will be laws and we don't have to have this debate anymore. >> you know how the house works. you're in the minority and the rules are the rules. >> you don't even have to vote for it. the american people want us to at least vote. >> i wanted to get to your reaction that nancy pelosi's suggestion that it's -- >> it's both unfortunate and wrong. there have been executive overreaches in the administration. lois lerner and the whole irs
scandal, we're finally getting able to see the e-mail traffic. american people want to know about what happened and the targeting of conservative groups of the irs. they want to know answers, that's all that we're trying to do. cooperate with the investigations and give us the information we've requested so our constituents can know the truth. >> fewer witch hunts, more solutions would be good. >> this is not a witch hunt when you're trying to figure out -- whether republican or democrat, i don't want the irs targeting any group, liberal or conservative. if they have, somebody should be held accountable. that's what we're trying to do. >> a video has surfaced of one of your members kissing a staff, congressman vance mccallister, should he resign? >> he needs to answer to his people and his family and held to a very high standard in congress and i don't think's been to that standard. >> do you think he should resign? we thought it was possible the senate would go republican innocent last election, but there are a lot of missteps by some of the republican senatorial candidates. so i'm wound fishing see this as an electoral problem? >> it's bad. it's wrong. he needs to answer and be held accountable. >> so, you want him to resign or don't want him to resign?
>> i have not talked to him. i have only seen the video. but we should be held to a higher standard than what i've seen in that video. >> and quickly, and i have something for you, congressman, as well, but there are reports out that 40 to 50 of your members have already signed on to -- saying they will vote against john boehner. they want him not to run. >> i have not seen anything about that >> part of your caucus is not happy with him. >> no one works harder to maintain and grow the majority than speaker boehner has the toughest job in washington walls when y -- washington, d.c. when you think about it. he has done a good job and i think he will get re-elected. >> congressman, one of the things i think poisons politics a lot is the idea of ascribing intent to someone else's vote or to someone else's words and seems to me that a lot of this week really was wrapped up in intent on the democratic party.
you say we want women to get equal pay and have a vote on it, but all democrats know is not going to pass. this is a way of painting republicans anti-women. you have eric holder thought talking about opposition to the president, being about race. so, it seems to me that what you're saying is these republicans are racist, they don't like women and they're going to do things that will keep both of those groups down. do you think that of your republican colleagues and is that a way to go about, and they do, too i get that but a way to go about electing congressmen? >> look, i was a member of congress who helped form the center aisle caucus. i do not believe to moment that republicans get up every morning trying to figure out how to make the country weaker and no democrat gets out of bed every morning trying to figure out what they say we are doing. what's important is not intent. what's important is how you vote. we are here to earn a paycheck. people pay us to find solutions and stand up for our beliefs which is why the american people
are tired of the bickering and tiring of the screaming they have want solutions. they want an immigration bill. they want a bill not balanced on the middle class that balances the budget. fundamentally, we are both americans, greg as american as i am. we may have different positions, but we have the same goal. and i wish that the american people -- i wish the congress would be more folk cussed on that goal. >> maybe next year. seems like a pretty political year on capitol hill. either of you expect big things out of congress this year? given the at not feericks? >> the senate passed the important things and the whos has not. >> i hope the president will sign the keystone pipeline, create family wage jobs right away, start moving north american energy a lot of things we can do together to grow the economy and help people really hurting and suffering, so i think there's still an opportunity. we can't just throw away every other year because it's an
election year. the american people expect more out of us. they deserve more out of us and we are prepared to deliverer and are delivering in the house. >> except the weeks when we shut down. >> on a note of agreement, congressman greg walden, congressman steve israel. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. good to be with you. when we return, conservatives and people with the initials jb. our panel is next with their take on john boehner's future and jeb bush. (dad) well, we've been thinking about it and we're just not sure. (agent) i understand. (dad) we've never sold a house before. (agent) i'll walk you guys through every step. (dad) so if we sell, do you think we can swing it? (agent) i have the numbers right here and based on the comps that i've found, the timing is perfect. ...there's a lot of buyers for a house like yours. (dad) that's good to know. (mom) i'm so excited.
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joining me around the table cornell belcher, cnn commentator, ron brownstein from the national jury room and liz mayer, a republican political consultant. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> little news made by your outfit. all over the internet. it is, to me, the nugget most fascinating, that was 50 conservative house members have already signed on to the idea of
trying to push boehner aside right after the elections and maybe make a deal with cantor, who knows. nonethele nonetheless, pushing boehner aside. how realistic is that and before you answer, i want to play something from greg walden who heads up the republican campaign committee on the house side. >> nobody works harder to maintain and grow our majority. he has the toughest job in washington walks. i think he will great get reelected. >> you will say speaker boehner is in a stronger position than he was, say, two years ago. the big change in that dynamic will be if republicans take the senate in november, i think the voices that want a more confrontational approach will be -- will gain strength inside the republican caucus and i thank you would create a new lane of threat for him. >> i think for me, you look at this, it's really part -- part and partial of what you are seeing laying out larger in the republican party and among conservatives. i think you do, in your party have a revolt from the right
going on in a way that is playing out. and how much more he shut down the government, not going forward with immigration reform. how much more can he do to placate the con variety it was in the party? an odd place for the party to be. >> first of all, i don't think john boehner is going to be forced out by these people. i think these guys tend to be -- a lot of attention in the media but when you actually look at what they are capable of producing in terms of outcomes, they are fair lynn effective. >> you didn't even deal with someone close to boehner and maybe pick up some votes that way. not unknown to have someone -- >> asking these people, who else can you get on board with? they can't come one an answer. i don't think they will force boehner out. anything can happen the next few months, theoretically something
could happen that would change that equation. if you actually held a vote today -- >> what happens if they take the senate, republicans take the senate, 51 vote do they pass the ryan budget, converting medicare into a premium support program on reconciliation, on a party line vote? do they repeal obamacare through reconciliation on a party line vote? you're looking forward to a 2016, what would a republican congress have a base-oriented kind of everything we have been waiting to do for six years strategy or try to kind of broaden the issue agenda and brand the base? i think that is very uncertain at this point. i think the dominant impulse will be toward confrontation. i think that will strengthen the hand. >> i don't think that is even the right question. frankly, there is a lot of using obamacare as a campaigning point, something to say that they are against. >> pass the line budget? would the republican senate pass the line budget? >> i'm not convince they had necessarily would. on a number of these things, we
have seen a situation, from my perspective, a more libertarian republican, i'm consistently frustrated with a lot of people in the party because we go out and say we are for smaller government and say we are for things like the ryan budget and go out and run ads attacking democrats for cutting medicare. i look at things like that, no, do i think they are going to put their money where their mouth is? no, i don't. no, i don't. >> some of the coalition will come into focus if they win the senate, so dependent on older, white voters will hate the idea of restrefrnling medicare and vote on that on a party line basis, implement the agenda they are running on, much more on th implement the agenda they are running on, much more problematic. ' >> family values don't end at the rio grande, bush said. they are cross the border are they breaking the law? they are. come here with love. take you to the new hampshire
freedom summit, a conservative arena and donald trump. >> i heard jeb bush the other day and he was talking about people that come into this country illegally, they do it for love. i said say it again. that is one i have never heard before. i have heard money. i've heard this. i've heard sex. i have a heard anything. one thing i never heard of was love. >> and this is about what we have been talking about, the same thing as the boehner challenge, right? going to be -- you want jeb bush or do you want -- >> yeah. >> scott walker? you know. >> rand paul. >> or rand paul. traditional versus conservative. >> and many of the changes that george w. bush brought to the party have been rejected. >> conservatives. >> the big government -- at some point, just talking about math here. mitt romney won a higher share of the white vote in 2012 than ronald reagan did in 1980. he lost by 5 million votes. barack obama lost white women by
a bigger margin than any democrat since walter mondale in 1984 and he won. the odds are if hillary clinton is the nominee, she will not lose white women by 14 points. only way for republicans to win, improve among minority voters. one last number, only one republican nominee since 1976 who has held the democratic nominee to less than 78% of the combined vote among minorities, that was george w. bush in 2004. so maybe -- maybe there is a little bit of a model here for a party that is looking at demographic challenge in 2016. different than 2014 >> going bang to the point about jeb bush, i don't think that's purely about his immigration comments. i think that is the bush name. the education. yeah there are a whole bunch of these things that tie into that. i think that is a response to hearing the name jeb bush, not the actual comment he made. but i also think when we are looking at the point you're making about demographics, i think most of the potential perspective candidates in 2016 are quite attune to that i think
that's part of why you see the comes that you often see from bobby jindal talking about school choice and talking about minority kids. i think that when you're look at a lot of the comments that you get from rand paul on immigration, wrapped paul is not taking a restrictionist, protectionist tone. >> did he vote on it. >> one point that throw the x-factor in here, what the doors they have thrown open to outside money i think is going to impact this primary season the way we have never seen it. we did primary in '08. i can't imagine -- i don't think barack obama might come out on top, if some guy in the desert could write as 5 million check and start putting on ads. campaign, you lose control of your voice as a campaign when outsiders can spent $5 million. >> cornell belcher, ron brownstein, liz mair. next, an why up date on the search for flight 370. (vo) you are a business pro. maestro of project management. baron of the build-out.
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